spud42 wrote:But there is also a time factor involved, things may well have that chain of evidence with our CURRENT understanding. Not saying weather telepathy is real or not , it could simply be that at our CURRENT level of understanding we cant prove or disprove it. now we in this TIME understand radio but if you tried to explain radio to someone form Shakespeare's time they would also say that it was an Extraordinary claim. voices and music coming out of a little box? Demons, heretic, call the Spanish Inquisition!!!
Yes, we may indeed one day be able to add the "telepathy" link to a pre-existing chain of well-understood and theoretically grounded psychic phenomena. But at the moment, it's just an unsubstantiated claim, hanging there, not connected to anything. If anyone wants to add "telepathy" to the party, I think they should be expected to at least suggest where it might hang, and why, and what's holding it up and connecting it to everything else.
spud42 wrote:Hilarity aside we do not know everything about our universe, to say we do is conceited and delusional.
I don't think any scientist (and I should stress, IANAS) would make that claim - apart from anything else, they'd be doing themselves out of a job.
Science, insofar as I understand it, is an approach which produces a certain type of answer to a certain type of question. "If we postulate X, then Y should happen when we do Z. Let's do Z. Look, Y happened, just as we said it would! The X theory holds up! OK, but if we postulate X, then A should happen if we do B. Let's do B. Bugger, that's not A happening, that's Q ... OK, theory X is wrong. We now need a theory X+1 to explain why Z produces Y *and* B produces Q."
It is incredibly good at answering those types of questions, and at working out how to apply those answers to do neat stuff. But it has rules - and it's those rules which make it so incredibly effective. If you don't follow those rules, or if you try to ask questions which can't be expressed using those rules, it doesn't work.
In Shakespeare's time, they'd have assumed a talking box was the work of spirits or demons: that was how such ideas were connected to their own system of understanding. If you'd tried to tell them about electrons, they'd have demanded that you connect your outlandish fantasies to their established chain of knowledge. This is not to go all PoMo and claim that science is "just another belief system" - the overwhelming difference between science and every other belief system is that, with regard to the physical, perceivable, quantifiable world, science works. You can get a radio to carry a message, effectively instantly, across huge distances, regularly, reliably, and understandably. Although they are often credited with the same ability, it's a lot trickier to do this with spirits and demons.